he's the former lapd officer wanted in connection with three murders. they may also be on edge because the manhunt for mr. dorner has led to the accidental shooting of at least one innocent person, a 71-year-old woman who was delivering newspapers at the time. will ongoing episodes of gun violence like this added to what julian was talking about in terms of the grassroots and consumers and members of the public, is this what's going to move this debate forward? >> i think it's probably the only thing that will keep it in our consciousness, keep us from forgetting and move this debate forward. unfortunately, you know, we're understanding that mr. dorner is carrying some very high-powered weaponry he really shouldn't have. so, you know, we look forward to a conclusion to this that he's captured and that we can move on. >> goldie and julian, i wish we had more time but thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. e go. from the top. and action for over 75 years people have saved money with gecko so.... director's vo